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PostSubject: Change of vehicle maybe   Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:28 pm

After castle coombe in april my insurance & tax is going to run out on the 6 again so im thinking do i sell & save up to get one of these http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3372630.htm or do i keep the 6?

Ive been thinking of a change for a while but there isnt really alot i can get thats as quick & in as good condition for the money i am going to get back plus i do love my car as i have changed it to how i want it over the years, But i have been looking for a while at different types of vehicle s13 200sx, escort rs turbo, E36 M3 but really i am going to have to save some moneys. I have had the 6 for around 2 & half years now & have put alot of time, money & effort into it so dont want to sell it locally & see it get distroyed, i suppose its one of those things you have to put up with if the money is right.

Enough of the jibber jabber just wanted to hear peoples opinions on accord type r & selling the 6 is the accord going to put a smile on my face & is it worth selling the 6 & saving to get one?
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:21 pm

Accord Type R's are gurt lush, I'd say it'd be a worthwhile upgrade!

But then i can't imagine owning a car for 2 and a half years, so I can't really put myself in your shoes!

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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:58 pm

Go for it mate! Cracking cars a true and pure typeR!

Just watch out for the 5th gear crunch. From memory is just the pre 2001 models. ATR.org is a useful site for info.

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Rear clip of an mr2 turbo would have being ideal its taken off in one piece. Remove the body work and your left with an engine/gearbox in the subframe with driveshafts & hubs etc all held together
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:25 pm

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Accord Type R's are gurt lush, I'd say it'd be a worthwhile upgrade!

But then i can't imagine owning a car for 2 and a half years, so I can't really put myself in your shoes!

Laughing Well i got enough time to think about it & find out some info.

Cheers adam havnt heard anything about that 5th gear crunch but will be someting to look out for.
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:34 pm

Peugeot to Honda? Sounds like a good plan to me Wink

Nic can't complain that you don't have a 'practical' car and you can enjoy the VTEC Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:15 pm

Never driven one, but ive heard good things.

I think your main dilema is do i sell my 6 that ive had for 2 and half years that ive modified to make my own, its unique to me and i know pretty much everything about it i need to.
But what else can you do to it? Without spending alot of money or changing the wheels.

It gets to a point you need to move on, get a new blank canvas and have some fun in your new car.

I miss my old 106 sometimes, but i much prefer my 206 and had fun putting all my own little bits on it that dont cost too much.

Go for it!
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:51 pm

No no no no and more no lol don't do it mate
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:55 pm

Ryangti6 wrote:
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Accord Type R's are gurt lush, I'd say it'd be a worthwhile upgrade!

But then i can't imagine owning a car for 2 and a half years, so I can't really put myself in your shoes!

Laughing Well i got enough time to think about it & find out some info.

Cheers adam havnt heard anything about that 5th gear crunch but will be someting to look out for.

From memory its the only issue they have. I was seriously looking into them a few years back. Made 2 calls but both where.sold. Also the later models are missing the front lip so don't look quite as nice.

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Rear clip of an mr2 turbo would have being ideal its taken off in one piece. Remove the body work and your left with an engine/gearbox in the subframe with driveshafts & hubs etc all held together
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:34 am

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Never driven one, but ive heard good things.

I think your main dilema is do i sell my 6 that ive had for 2 and half years that ive modified to make my own, its unique to me and i know pretty much everything about it i need to.
But what else can you do to it? Without spending alot of money or changing the wheels.

It gets to a point you need to move on, get a new blank canvas and have some fun in your new car.

I miss my old 106 sometimes, but i much prefer my 206 and had fun putting all my own little bits on it that dont cost too much.

Go for it!

You took the words right out of my mouth Smile.
Well i was thinking somewhere along those lines.

Jamesy Laughing , i like the 6 but i think its time for a change. I may regret it in time but thats why i want something quicker lol.

Went on ATR.ORG adam & found out some info not really anything bad was mainly looking at the for sale section but one did say they have had the fith gear & reverse gear synchrone replaced which is a common fault so cheers for the advice will have to remember when i go to look at one. Plus am planning on getting around a v reg like the one on the link not a face lift due to the front bumper being different as you say & i dont think i like them as much.
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:18 am

The accord type-r is a very reliable, fun, good handling car! The h22 is a very capable motor and can easily be tweaked with a decent exhaust, manifold, decat and a chip/vafc. The only bad thing about the engine in the accord compared to the earlier h22's is the low down pick up, but this can be easily rectified by a lightened fidanza flywheel. They also handle well with an LSD and decent suspension as standard being a type-r.

As said keep an eye on the 5th gear reverse issue. It seems to be down to a mixture of the selector fork and synchro. Most have been done by now but something to be wary of. The other thing to look out for is good oil maintenance. The h22 is bulletproof...but only if well maintained. Also make sure vtec kicks in ok. It will only kick in once the oil is up to a specific temp and pressure, but not kicking in when it should could indicate vtec solenoid issues possibly from bad oil maintenance or lack of oil, obviously neither are good! They can sometimes be a little tappy but make sure this is down to the tappets just needing adjusting. Honda recommended doing the tappet adjustment every 12k but tbh every 20k or so would be fine.

Very good cars though, good handling and obviously the addictive vtec! Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:01 am

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The accord type-r is a very reliable, fun, good handling car! The h22 is a very capable motor and can easily be tweaked with a decent exhaust, manifold, decat and a chip/vafc. The only bad thing about the engine in the accord compared to the earlier h22's is the low down pick up, but this can be easily rectified by a lightened fidanza flywheel. They also handle well with an LSD and decent suspension as standard being a type-r.

As said keep an eye on the 5th gear reverse issue. It seems to be down to a mixture of the selector fork and synchro. Most have been done by now but something to be wary of. The other thing to look out for is good oil maintenance. The h22 is bulletproof...but only if well maintained. Also make sure vtec kicks in ok. It will only kick in once the oil is up to a specific temp and pressure, but not kicking in when it should could indicate vtec solenoid issues possibly from bad oil maintenance or lack of oil, obviously neither are good! They can sometimes be a little tappy but make sure this is down to the tappets just needing adjusting. Honda recommended doing the tappet adjustment every 12k but tbh every 20k or so would be fine.

Very good cars though, good handling and obviously the addictive vtec! Wink

Thanks for the advice mate sounds good. It seems they could be similar to the gti6 having very slow pick up at low revs then better at around 4k rpm but obviously without vtec.

So if you have never driven a car with vtec how will u know its working properly?
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:10 am

You'll know, check level of oil, make sure you driven it for 3-4 miles, floor it and then once you hit 5.5k. (think that's what it should be standard) they'll be a change in exhaust note and should be a noticeable pickup. It will feel weird and sound wrong at such high revs to begin with but you need to rev very high to make sure when you change gear you stay in vtec range!

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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:49 am

Ok mate thank you, will have to check this thread in a few months time to check all the common faults lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:46 am

Beautiful cars them type'rs mate. My mate sold a BMW 330 and bought one, loves it, never looked back n will never part with it unless he stuffs it up a tree.....do it!
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:20 am

I might be able to offer some assistance here. I own one. Wink

Some of the rev counters can be out by up to 500rpm, but the vtec should kick in at around 5700rpm and your rev limiter will be at ~7900rpm. In order for vtec to work correctly, you need the engine at a decent temperature, sufficient oil pressure and a selected gear. Without these, the vtec will not kick in and the engine might refuse to go beyond 6600rpm.

As mentioned above, a lightweight flywheel improves the pickup from low revs. The gear ratios are rather long. 3rd will take you up to about 90-95mph and 4th will go beyond 120mph.
If you're into modifying, look into fitting 16" wheels or an M-Factory final drive. You'll lose a certain % of top speed in each gear but you'll see an improvement in the 0-100 sprint and better lap times. Very Happy

Things to look out for :

Worn clutch / poor gear selection
Coolant use
Excessive oil use
Poor wheel alignment
Budget tyres
Badly set valve clearances / Flashing EML
Split engine front mount
Seized front caliper sliders with warped discs (unstable braking)
Tired dampers & broken F/R ARB links
Torn flexi / downpipe
Sticky throttle cable
Exhaust condition

The earlier late-90's models don't usually tolerate low octane fuel. The later models 2001-2003 prefer high octane fuel but can be run on cheaper stuff if necessary. Most owners run them on V-Power. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:32 am

Cheers for the advice mate am still debating what to get fancy a pre facelift. What is yours?
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:54 am

Mine is a 2001 facelift. The pre models are nicer looking cars, but i didn't like idea of paying the same money for an older car, so i went for a Y plate. You can probably pick up a nice 2002 model for 2500-3000.

The colour differences are subtle, there are 6 to choose from (7 if you count championship white) :

Versuvio Red
Pirates Black (looks purple in sunlight)
Titan Silver (quite a dark silver)
Milano Red
Nighthawk Black
Satin Silver (can look slightly blue in sunlight)

Generally, the first 3 colours are found on the Pre and the last 3 on the facelift model. There are some exceptions and i've seen a few pre models in Nighthawk Black. Also there are some facelift models in the versuvio red colour.

The rarest colour seems to be Milano Red (less than 250 left apparently), so you might have to pay a premium for it. In terms of rarity, you won't see many about. Nobody actually knows how many are left in the UK, because lots of them are getting broken for spares every week. There could be less than 1000 left in the UK. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:22 am

Sounds good. did find a cheap pre versuvio red on ebay not long ago but didnt have the money has havnt sold my 306 yet. Not sure what i want at the moment would prefer something turbo i think but then have only got up to 2k to spend.
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:03 am

Ouch. 2000 might not get you a good one. Sad

I'd be tempted to stick with the 306 for a while, wait for market prices to fall further. There are quite a few forced sales, selling prices continue to tumble and have yet to stabilise. 2002 models used to cost ~5000 back in Summer 2008, by the end of 2009 they were fetching about 4200, 3500-4000 in 2010, in Autumn 2011 they were changing hands closer to the 3000 area. Recent prices are about 2500-2800. People sometimes polish them to death and advertise them 3000+ - these people are either dreamers or not serious about selling the car. There are some shocking examples out there and a considerable number of buyers report problems within the first few days of ownership. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:12 am

Yeh thats what i thought but have found high milage ones for under 2k but like you say could well be sheds lol. thanks for all the advice.
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:02 am

I recently saw one sell for 800. I've no idea how bad it was though. Lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:46 am

Surely its still woth it even if it was a mess, if engine is ok as could sell the engine & interior & weigh in the shell lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Change of vehicle maybe   Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:50 am

Lots of owners break them instead of sell. The engine is worth a fair bit (much more than a Prelude engine), a few hundred for the U2Q7 transmission with LSD, front recaro seats are worth a couple of hundred as well. Some people actually make a living from buying Accords then breaking them for spares. Very Happy
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