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PostSubject: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 7:27 pm

Thought i might post up a few pics of my current toy... 1991 Honda City PGM-FI CZi Razz

It's a 1.3 SOHC 16v, 100bhp (book power) and 680kg (again book weight).

The CZi came with a Cussco LSD as standard, and A/C Razz

It shares a LOT of Running gear with the civic, (hence the silly wide arches to accomadate the civic steering rack)... i've got some 2006 Civic Type R brakes going on when i can afford the discs Razz

According to Honda only 142 were imported...

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1030146

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1030147

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1030148

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1030149

I'll keep this thread updated with the progress Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 7:27 pm

Well from finally getting it out on track, i know now...

A) It's still factory limited to 110mph

B) It's AWESOME out of the corners (pushing 90% of big power stuff in the bends)

C) It REALLY looses out on the straights

D) Corners like its on rails, but body roll is silly!!!

The answer???

Coilovers and BOOOOOOOOOOOST Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 7:28 pm

Weighed it this morning...

Partially stripped, half tank of petrol

672kilos Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 7:28 pm

Also now decided it doesnt need the civic brakes... it was locking up at combe, with its lack of weight i don't think big brakes will do anything.

Just going to replace it with some decent spec standards... if i can find any...
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 7:29 pm

Just ordered a short shifter from america... £15 including taxes... guess we'll see Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 7:30 pm

Sooooo... after the i bodged the standard rad fan onto a civic rad (which is a good 3 inches bigger both ways) the fan sliced through the bottom hose...

Went for a walk over to forge motor sport (litterly accross the road from me) and traded £80 for this little lot...

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1110176

Normal retail would have been £130 plus VAT... BARGIN

Also got another civic rad from work and mounted a 9 inch slimlie fan to it...

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1110175

So now hopfully the cooling system is sorted...

Quickshift also fitted, makes a HUGE difference!

Next??? Blue h/t leads to match the pipes Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 7:30 pm

Bonus... just found a nice billet alloy feul rail with civic injectors... Guess what i just fitted Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 7:31 pm

More progress today... bye bye A/C

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1120175

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1130175

Good 15kg there i think Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 7:33 pm

Dash has come out (only so i can sort out the aweful wiring) as has the carpet and most of the sound deadening

Custom making a set of carbon fibre dials out of a bit of Zonda wing Razz

Also got round to fitting the OMP bonnet pins, so now i can chop the slam panel off to make way for the BOOOOST Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 7:34 pm

Sooo it turns out 45psi fuel pressure isnt good for an unmapped car... electronics have gone tits, can't be bothered to work it out so here we come...

2.0 SOHC 16v VTEC City Type R Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySun Jul 06, 2008 4:40 am

it's an utter shed but by god I would have one. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyTue Jul 15, 2008 11:49 pm

Struggling to choose now...

1.5 VTEC, lighter but only 110bhp as standard,

2.0 VTEC, heaiver, 147bhp as standard more tunable? But may make it rather front heavy...

Thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyWed Jul 16, 2008 7:39 am

Oh lordy you're going to kill yourself haha!!....
















....please dont Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyWed Jul 16, 2008 8:58 am

Sez wrote:
Oh lordy you're going to kill yourself haha!!....





....please dont Crying or Very sad

He won't kill himself, the project has a 90% chance of not being finished. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyWed Jul 16, 2008 6:34 pm

Mwhahahahaha
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyWed Jul 16, 2008 10:41 pm

granted I do hope you prove me wrong Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyThu Jul 17, 2008 6:37 pm

Hmmm... after doing a bit of research... the 1.5 VTEC civic has a clutch position sensor...

A WHAT?????
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyThu Jul 17, 2008 9:07 pm

trust the japs to be different. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Aug 09, 2008 7:40 pm

Ahhhhhh... Herroooo...

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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Aug 09, 2008 10:54 pm

Yes thankyou Razz You can come pick them up tomorrow if you want Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Aug 09, 2008 11:07 pm

or you can drop it off to me in your van Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyTue Aug 12, 2008 3:28 am

After me and Alex had a quick session between rain showers yesterday we came up with this...

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City Boooooooost2rg5

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City Boooooooosthu5

Just a rough idea of the layout... oil cooler sat in play in the wing and turbo roughly where it will sit (you'll be able to see it through the bumper... PIMP)

Playing with a few intercoolers later Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyTue Aug 12, 2008 5:58 am

nice Turbo.....

looks like a saab to me... Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyTue Aug 12, 2008 7:00 pm

Booost...

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1060556dy2

Won't be quite so sticky outy Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyFri Aug 15, 2008 4:39 am

Nuts car
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyTue Aug 19, 2008 6:29 pm

Nothing much happening at the moment...

Spun the impellor housing round so the outlet goes stright up...
Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1130576ca2

Also welded the internal wastegate shut...
Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1130578dl8

Left to do... Fabricate a downpipe, pipe in the internal fuel tank, buy and work out all boost piping, oh, and fit the engine Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyFri Aug 22, 2008 12:56 am

Glup...

Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City P1160510
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 6:44 pm

Just to warn you, this post is going to get quite nerdy...

Been doing some major headscratching over th past couple of day... working out compression ratios.

In Basic form, the 1.5 CR is 9.6:1 (The Block i'm using)

The 1.6 is 9.2:1 (The VTEC head i'm using)

Combining the 1.5 block with the 1.6 head give me approx 8.8:1

Now i've been told on a small engine like this, the CR to aim for is 8:1... Using a 1.2mm Decompression plate will bring it down to 7.8:1... which i have a feeling may be a tad laggy...

Ideas???
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Sep 06, 2008 2:58 am

Who'd like to hazzard a guess at what i'm building now...

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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Sep 06, 2008 3:51 am

a smoothie machine? Razz

go with the 8.8:1 will be more user friendly.
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Sep 13, 2008 8:12 am

They come with LSD standard!

Cool build can't wait to see this in action at brands.
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Sep 27, 2008 2:44 am

quality
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Oct 04, 2008 1:22 am

Been a tad slow... bit of progress...

Motasport rims innit...

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Switchboard...

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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Oct 04, 2008 2:13 am

lmao looks cool i see the most important buttons are missing though No
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Oct 04, 2008 2:16 am

Sticking them in tomorrow Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Oct 04, 2008 2:55 am

Its gonna be next year but I really wanna see this thing on the go
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptySat Oct 04, 2008 3:09 am

It'll be running for brands...

Apparently
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyMon Oct 06, 2008 8:15 am

Norledge wrote:
It'll be running for brands...

Apparently

well after this weekend I'll put money that it will struggle. Evil or Very Mad

Disclaimer - I will not back the above with any known country currency, so don't send the bailiffs round Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyMon Oct 06, 2008 6:21 pm

Lmao... Well hopefully Alex is going to get Katherine to scrap off all the tar on the floor for me today Wink


Evry step is a small step closer Razz
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Lmao... Well hopefully Alex is going to get Katherine to scrap off all the tar on the floor for me today Wink


Evry step is a small step closer Razz

lmfao thats just cruel...only just met and she gets the shite jobs, not even me or alex stooped that low yesterday. Laughing
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Slave boys Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyThu Oct 09, 2008 7:18 pm

To do list for the weekend...

  • Finish Removing Engine and Box
  • Remove all excess from engine bay
  • Bypass heating system
  • De-tar footwells
  • Put the front bumper on a diet
  • Wire in ECU
  • Make mounts for i/c, oil cooler and rad
  • Mount battery
  • Remove OE fuel tank
  • Plumb in internal tank
  • Mount and wire in the new 'dash'
  • Tidy wiring loom
  • Clean it


I reccomend we split into 3 teams, Alpha, Bravo and Tango.

I'll be Alpha and tackle the harder jobs, Woz and MGM can be Bravo team and do the other jobs, Tango team will make the tea.
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyThu Oct 09, 2008 11:11 pm

LMAO I'll do the bumper, pass me the grinder!!

LMFAO at Tango team
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More stuff...

  • Finish Removing Engine and Box
  • Remove all excess from engine bay
  • Bypass heating system
  • De-tar footwells
  • Put the front bumper on a diet
  • Wire in ECU
  • Make mounts for i/c, oil cooler and rad
  • Mount battery
  • Remove OE fuel tank
  • Plumb in internal tank
  • Mount and wire in the new 'dash'
  • Tidy wiring loom
  • Clean it
  • Down the scrappie and find a fuel pump
  • Fit said fuel pump
  • Work out how to fit headlights no there is a intercooler in the way
  • Drink copious more amouts of vodka[
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  • Finish Removing Engine and Box
  • Remove all excess from engine bay
  • Bypass heating system
  • De-tar footwells
  • Put the front bumper on a diet
  • Wire in ECU
  • Make mounts for i/c, oil cooler and rad
  • Mount battery
  • Remove OE fuel tank
  • Plumb in internal tank
  • Mount and wire in the new 'dash'
  • Tidy wiring loom
  • Clean it
  • Down the scrappie and find a fuel pump
  • Fit said fuel pump
  • Work out how to fit headlights no there is a intercooler in the way
  • Drink copious more amouts of vodka


Getting there Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyThu Nov 13, 2008 2:56 am

Sooo... progress has been silly slow of late...

Failed to make it to brands... Sad

But watching the cars has made me want to get it done asap... Engine is in the process of being built, and i'm still hoarding parts like a mad man. Watch this space!
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyThu Nov 13, 2008 3:56 am

haha you genuinly looked down at brands because you wasn't driving...can't wait till we are all out on track at the same time. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyFri Nov 14, 2008 1:34 am

Mate i was nearly in tears watching the speed the near standard civic was lapping.

I WANT IT NOW!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyThu Dec 04, 2008 11:50 pm

Glup...

Headset £78.31+
Cambelt kit £42.20+
Big End Bearings £45.23+
Piston Rings £31.45+
Aux Belt £6.35+
Waterpump £37.13+
Sparks £1.69+
Oil Filter £2.89+
Exedy Clutch... TBC
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PostSubject: Re: Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City   Project WTF??? - 1991 Honda City EmptyFri Dec 05, 2008 12:26 am

you best hope santa is feeling generous Laughing
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