Dave-R's 2002 Quiksilver - C2 race engine - 196bhp @ 8000rpm

yeah we are going to pugfest mate, going to get mine mapped again soon with some longer trumpits on it and see what happens.

Car is now at Pug1Off for 2 weeks.

In the mean time, they've given me this:



It's only a 1.6 GTi But they're planning on an engine conversion, probably to a GTi6 and also completely restoring it.

I've always wanted a 205 GTi and even though this isn't in mint condition and it's a 1.6, I'm not disappointed. First thing I did when I got back was to look around and see how much a good condition 1.9 goes for. Best price I found was £2,800 for a completely original on 89,000 miles. Dearest was £10,000 after a full restore and rebuild!

£10k for a 205

indeed.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2953561.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2319634.htm

I know matt was driving this for a bit, i was looking at the 205 cab he has got.

Nice!

But 10,000 for a 205 LOLZ, That red one has been up for more than a year now

We can allways import them from here :p

http://www.standvirtual.com/carros/Peugeot/205/1.9-GTI/P4690006/

I would love to have one! Even if it as an 1.6lt

I've still not got the 106 back. Head took ages to come back, so missed the mapping session on Friday. But there was a cancellation today that they managed to make, after doing a stint until 4am on Friday to get the engine in, wired up and running on a base map. That's dedicated!

We were aiming for 190bhp ATF. After being mapped on the rollers, the final figure was 196.3bhp! Pug1Off are going to keep it for a few more days and run it around to make sure there's no leaks, excessive oil or coolant usage etc. and I'll either pick it up Thursday afternoon or early next week.

Can't wait to get it back and get a track day booked up.

Pictures and videos to follow...

Fairplay mate thats impressive. I do fancy saving a bit off cash and getting the gti6 up there and getting bodies on it

Awesome figures mate, really impressed!

Can't wait to have a go

Nice figures Dave good thing you got an LSD lol

Cheers lads!

Yeah, good job I did get the LSD. And was a smart move to go for an organic clutch and uprated driveshafts

Awesome figures mate - had a look for it at Pugfest after seeing something on Facebook IIRC? Wasn't about though.

Good results Dave, this has come on A LOT since last year!

jamesy wrote:

Fairplay mate thats impressive. I do fancy saving a bit off cash and getting the gti6 up there and getting bodies on it

Mate you have got to do it, and yeah they are some good figures mate i know matt was saying they put in some late nights on it.

Look forward to see'ing it on track

They noticed a small coolant leak after the rolling road and they've tracked this down to a small crack in the head. They've got a new head coming in and it'll go off to be re-bored and flowed.

So in the meantime, here's the power graph:

graph looks good, every pug one off engine ive seen a graph for always has a dip in torque in the mid range. imo they need to do some work on the inlet tract lengths

Just noticed the graph on Facebook, good work

Any update on when you think you'll have the car back?

ash wrote:

graph looks good, every pug one off engine ive seen a graph for always has a dip in torque in the mid range. imo they need to do some work on the inlet tract lengths

I'll be perfectly honest... I'm don't really understand the relationship between torque and HP, where they intersect etc. That's why I give my car to the experts and instruct them to make it go a bit faster

Masher wrote:

Just noticed the graph on Facebook, good work

Any update on when you think you'll have the car back?

Cheers Mark! Everyone is very happy with the results. I'm pretty busy at the moment but I'm hoping to pop up next weekend (6th?), all being well. But I'd rather they kept it for as long as possible to make sure everything is OK because the 4 hour round trip does get tedious after a while!

That thing must be a demon on the road!

the dip in the torque will be were the cam comes in more.

yeah but running a longer inlet and shorter trumpets can increase torque no end, proven on lots of different engines and different rollers. pug1off always seem to run very short inlets. not knocking there work as i was looking around the cars at pugfest and there attention to detail is amazing

oh right well i know he is looking at different things.

It's the first time they'd used the cam, so were really chuffed when it made 196 instead of 190. Seems like it's a constant learning process. Chris, didn't you say you were looking at trying longer/shorter trumpets?

But as Ash has seen their attention to detail is brilliant and they're always very fair about any remedial work. You might pay a little bit more but the service is excellent.

yeah i am going to be try longer ones when i get the cash to have it mapped again.

ash wrote:

yeah but running a longer inlet and shorter trumpets can increase torque no end, proven on lots of different engines and different rollers. pug1off always seem to run very short inlets. not knocking there work as i was looking around the cars at pugfest and there attention to detail is amazing

mine has got short trumpets on it but i am going to try longer ones to see if it makes a differents and if it does not just put the out ones back on.

im running a longer inlet, similar length trumpets and 8 injectors.

4 large injectors are required to deliver the fuel on full throttle, there hard to control under part throttle and on light loads, which is also a factor to why tuned engines can be fairly grumpy at low revs and are alot harder to drive.

with 8 smaller injectors, im running vectra V6 injectors, they fit the standard fuel rail and bodies, obviously i had to buy 2 sets, but there dirt cheap. i think i payed around 40 quid for 12 (so got a full spare set) on part throttle and light loads only one set is in operation then the second set come in at around 4000 to 7600 rpm. this gives a very smooth rev range on part throttle, full throttle and isnt much harder to drive than a standard engine.

i must say i have been looking at running 8 injectors just not sure if i need them as its running 270 bhp with only 4 injectors, and it revs to 9.4k, if i do come to some of the shows with you maybe you could take me out in yours?

yeah i'll be at combe on the 10th sept, will take you out for a track session if you like.

i'd say even more so with 270 bhp,

an example
think of pouring a big bucket of water, yes you can pour it fast and pour loads of water out, but trying to pour a small amount of water is very difficult to control.

now pour a much smaller bucket of water, its much easier to control a small amount of water you just need twice as many buckets to pour the same amount of water as a big one...

make any sense? does in my head haha.

yeah i do sort of understand it mate, well if i can get along i will have to take you up on that then mate

Still not got it back but I found a video of it on the rollers...

196 BHP happy days

It's back

wow.

Sounds lush dave

Coming to donington in Nov?

Let's get down with the Trumpets!

Nothing beats ITB Induction

Awesome Dave! Cant wait to hear it in real life. Passenger ride at combe?

sounding good mate

alright mate how is the car going, you still using your shift light as i am thinking about getting one and how do you set it up as i will need to to tell me to shift at 9k.

Hi mate. Car is going well! Very very happy with it. Drives like a normal (ish) car to about 4k and at 5k goes c-r-a-z-y

Yep still using the shift light. I set the shift point yesterday to 7,900rpm.

It's really easy to set up. To set the shift point you do something like hold both + and - buttons until the lights flash, then press + or - to increase or decrease the shift point by 100rpm. Then you can also set the LED interval. Setting yours to 9k won't be an issue. The Omex sequential shift light unit supports a max of 20k RPM!

Here's the manual so you can read a bit more about how to set it up:
http://www.omextechnology.co.uk/OMSLS.pdf

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned somewhere how I wired mine in but just in case... Using Scotch connectors, connect the the rev counter wire from the dash dials to the blue wire on the Omex unit. Connect the black wire on the Omex to an earth (I used an earth to the dash dials). Connect the red wire on the Omex to a switched live (I used the switch live for the radio).

I have no idea what pin on the 306 dials is for the rev counter.

cool mates for that mate, thats good you are happy with it then mate. You should see about coming to the ring with us next year.

Sounds niceeee

Thought it was about time I got a proper mount sorted out. But had to be something that didn't depend on having a cage.

So I bought a clamp mount with a flexible arm. It's got a 1/4" standard thread on the other end so I've borrowed a colleague's Flip HD Mino to see how it performs.



I should be able to clamp it to the frame on one of the bucket seats and the arm should let me get some good angles

Properly excited to get taken out in this later. A bit sad that I won't have a chance of keeping up anymore lol.

Looks like a Superclamp. Hopefully got it for a bargain? If not o feel for your wallet.

Yeah it's a Superclamp. Good bit of kit. Very sturdy. Tested it last night but the angle of the camera wasn't great so will try again today and upload a short video of the results.

Yea sturdy bit of kit, and losts of spares and extra's out there for mounting to different parts of the car and allowing different sizes of camera's etc.

Got the flex arm in to a pretty good position now: