Dave-R's 2002 Quiksilver - C2 race engine - 196bhp @ 8000rpm

F it.

I've done it.

June 16th.

16v and cammed.

To make an appearance at Llandow.

Watch this space.

Woop well done... made the jump!

Just need to get you out driving Woz and Alex now

I love how it handled at Combe. Biggest handling improvement was definitely Grp N mounts and Polyrace wishbone bushes. But I couldn't catch anything and got overtaken by almost everything!

So this'll do for now. As Woz says, I'll want more power in a few months time!

Dave-R wrote:

I love how it handled at Combe. Biggest handling improvement was definitely Grp N mounts and Polyrace wishbone bushes. But I couldn't catch anything and got overtaken by almost everything!

Haha, same mate, I tried to smoke screen people behind but that didn't work either!

Epic progress, going to be so much fun! I need to hurry up and get my conversion done so we can own everything round ours, end of July by the latest.

Nice one Dave! 16v and cammed, big step up! Expect it to sound pornographic!

What spec cams are you aiming for?

Chris - It'll be the same set up as MGM's GTi (minus standalone). The cams are Pug1Offs combo. Different exhaust cam to the inlet. When I spoke to Matt earlier this morning, he said that the 708s are milder than their combo. The different exhaust cam lets it idle better and delivers the power smoother.

We'll find out soon enough. Pretty excited. Will need to get it on the RR and see what power it makes.

what suspension are you running now?

Bilstein Grp N shocks and Bilstein B8 dampers. With Eibach springs. Not the best springs in the world. Wouldn't mind something with high poundage (Faulkner).

Standard Quiksilver front ARB (18mm) and GTi rear ARB. Polyrace front wishbone mounts. And Grp N engine mounts.

Bought 5 Raptors from MGM on Saturday, complete with tyres that I can ruin at Llandow.

On Wednesday they'll be going in for powder coating. Then the Wednesday after that, the car will be at Pug1Off for GTi engine and cams.

Pushing it for Llandow. As MGM reminded me, need to bed in the cams before spanking it.

Is the engine rebuilt? if so will need some running in milage on the piston rings at least.

More stickers knock miles of a bed in.

Fact.

Glad it's getting done though Dave! Will have to see if you can make me poopoo myself like i did last year on the essses

Masher wrote:

Is the engine rebuilt? if so will need some running in milage on the piston rings at least.

Engine isn't a rebuild job. So just need to bed the cams in. My daily drive to work is very short, so I'll need to do some pointless trips

Norledge wrote:

Glad it's getting done though Dave! Will have to see if you can make me poopoo myself like i did last year on the essses

Went out in Alex's GTi at the weekend as he's got the Pug1Off combination cams. Actually. Can't. Wait. A little bit of wee comes out each time I think of it. I'm sure it'll be short lived. More power will be needed.

POWWAAA!

Quick work though, wasn't it only at coombe you were talking about thinking of a gti engine?

nellers2001 wrote:

POWWAAA!

Quick work though, wasn't it only at coombe you were talking about thinking of a gti engine?

Yep, it was Combe And then I was in two minds (GTi or 8v Rallye engine). But the extra 8 valves won over (cue the 16v v's 8v debate!).

Track wheels went in for powder coating this morning.

Decided on "traffic red", aka RAL 3020.

Should have those back the day before car goes off to Pug1Off.

What tyres are going on the red raptorzzz?

Tyres will be whatever Alex had on them. Goodyear Hydragrip. Same profile as our Kumho's. Don't mind wrecking them knowing that I can pop my road wheels back on after.

Just got insurance sorted out/raped by insurance. What an utter joke that is. But you only live once, so I've given up caring now.

Not a 106 GTi engine going in but a VTS from a 2002 (same year as my Quiky). Pretty bloody excited.

Sounds like its progressing well. Any differences between gti engine and vts engine?

The VTS comes with an oil cooler as standard iirc.

I'm going to have to get a custom rocker cover badge made up to stick over the Citroen one. Pug1Off are going to throw in some Lexarse lights too.

They're exactly the same engine. Both 120bhp as standard. Some people say the GTi engine weights more because it has better internals and that the VTS had a quicker 0-60. Both have the same top speed though.

IMO, there's no difference. It'll be the same as a GTi engine. It'll be cammed, 4-2-1, induction. It'll do for a while

Dave-R wrote:

Just got insurance sorted out/raped by insurance. What an utter joke that is. But you only live once, so I've given up caring now.

Not a 106 GTi engine going in but a VTS from a 2002 (same year as my Quiky). Pretty bloody excited.

What was the increase? Shouldn't have changed hardly at all for you, sounds like they're taking the piss.

But still, will be sweet when it's done. Keep hold of it for a while to make it worth while

Oh and the engines are identical by the way! 0-60 times I'm pretty sure was how the cars were tested.

Jonny-r wrote:

What was the increase? Shouldn't have changed hardly at all for you, sounds like they're taking the piss.

It was a hell of a lot more than what I expected, considering I'm 25 with 7 years no claims. It would have been cheaper if it was a GTi engine by probably £60. 106 GTi is a lower insurance group than a VTS isn't it? They said on the phone that an engine conversion is the same as changing the vehicle. That's how it works.

I'll PM you.

interestingly enough, AT power are doing direct to head bodies for the gti/vts now.

think they're slightly cheaper than the Jenveys and I'm considering a setup using them instead.

Just called them to see if I'm still on to pick it up tomorrow. They've just fired it up but has a slight misfire at the moment.

Excitement has kicked in to overdrive.

Bet you can't wait for this now Dave. Sure the misfire is something small!

nellers2001 wrote:

Bet you can't wait for this now Dave. Sure the misfire is something small!

Should have done it a long time ago! The next painful part will be trying to get the miles on before Llandow. Calculated that starting this Sunday, I'll need to do at least 59 miles a day to reach 1000 before Llandow.

Matt at Pug1Off just txt to say it's all ready for me to collect tomorrow. Sounds like he was working late getting the misfire sorted.

Awesome! I'm sure you'll have no problems doing that mileage...all in the name of track fun!!

Do you have to do an oil change at the end of the 1000 miles? I presume the mileage is for the cams more than anything else?!

nellers2001 wrote:

Awesome! I'm sure you'll have no problems doing that mileage...all in the name of track fun!!

Do you have to do an oil change at the end of the 1000 miles? I presume the mileage is for the cams more than anything else?!

I'm pretty sure it was 1000 miles anyway! MGM was giving me the good (?) news the other weekend. 1000 miles at below 4k RPM and then an oil change. I'll ask tomorrow.

But yeah, that's just for the cams.

Having said that, a quick search and everyone seems to say they only need a 20 minute run at 2-2.5k and the bedding in process is complete.

I'll let the experts at Pug1Off tell me though!

It's home.



Completely awesome to drive. Power is instantly there and there's lots of it (in comparison to what I had!).

Pug1Off guys are quality too. Highly recommend. Talked about bodies too. Haha.

However, you have to remember it's still French. So my first task after only having it for 2 hours is to work out why it's spaffed a load of oil everywhere. Initial investigation suggests it's the breather in to the induction kit.



There's loads of oil sitting in the induction enclosure, creating a swimming pool, and its all down the front of the rad and dripping off the chassis.

Let the fun begin!

Sweet! So did you have to bed the cams in or not?
And oil breather blocked so it's all being forced out as the pressure builds up - maybe?

Keep the ideas coming. Will take it off in a bit and take a look. But it looks a shed load of oil has come through the front of the induction kit.

No, Matt said I don't need to do X miles at under a certain RPM. Or do an oil change anytime soon. He said I'm all good to go for Llandow. If I had a brand new engine or internals then maybe.

Oh! And they did manage to source a GTi engine on Thursday evening. So it's not a VTS. Matt was told the GTi engine was on ~40k too. It's a 2002, same year as my car so was a straight swap.

And just called Flux who have given me a refund of £84.19 as it's a GTi engine

Let us know what the outcome of where the oil is from. Check all connections first and make sure oil is at the right level? Maybe it was overfilled?

Started taking stuff out the bay to clean it up. It's gone everywhere. Puddles of it from the front right to back of the engine bay. Everytime I open the butterfly on the throttle body, more oil leaks out from the inlet manifold.

Maybe it was overfilled. The level is spot on max. Dipstick seemed to be in place correctly.

Pretty sure it's breather related and not a leaking pipe somewhere. But why it's doing it I'm not sure.

Where does the breather go into, the air intake piping or the inlet manifold itself?

Breather goes in to the air intake piping. There's another pipe too but not sure what that does... only had 16v for a few hours! Haha.



Breather pipe is the horizontal one.

Well not sure I'd be driving it too much without speaking to the guys that put the engine in. It sounds like there could be too much pressure in the engine.

Best case scenario maybe slightly overfilled/blocked breather/blockage somewhere else. Worst case scenario the piston rings are knackered so when the cylinder ignites the gas is forced down into the sump causing too much pressure and oil out the breather!

Don't panic about what I've put above. That is as far as my knowledge goes but better to speak to Pug1off!

EDIT:

Thinking about it if you have a compression tester worth giving that a shot to see if it is compression problems?!

On the plus side, I have a 3 month warranty on all the parts! So whatever happens, it'll get fixed.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll put everything back together and take it for a quick 5 minute drive and see if it's spewing oil again.

the small one on top to the inlet on mine isn't attached. The one off the metal elbow just below the rocker should go down to a metal pipe on the front of the block, it'll be hidden under the IK. It may have popped out

Cheers Alex.

Just spoke to a guy I know who's pretty poopoo hot with 106s. He's pretty sure it's the oil return that goes from the back of the block to the front (as above ^^) that's probably blocked.

He had the same thing on a GTi he bought. Was pissing oil everywhere. Took the oil return off and it had loads of dried up oil blocking it, therefore making the engine breath heavily.

great stuff getting it all in dave, glad your pleased with the outcome...

the pipe that runs vertically into the inlet manifold again isn't really needed but may aswell leave it in place, won't cause any trouble.

as for the oil leak, the 90 degree elbow alex is on about is nothing to worry about by the looks they've put a straight one in to match up with the IK.

the pipe I think alex is on about is a pipe similar to the cam cover breather pipe but sits about 2-3 inches below the hole in the inlet cam cover and it runs along that side of the head into a pipe that then follows the path of the oil dipstick but it looks like your missing it completly to me.



give me a sec and I'll go and get a few pics of mine for you.

the first 5 that i've quoted are the entire route of the pipe that I reckon your missing, which coincidently is coming out on mine by the looks

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the next few you can see said pipe in relation to the cam cover breather pipe.

Big thanks Woz and Alex (who txt me with a pic).

Yep, I have that pipe and it's in place. I assume it's just pushed in to the metal oil pipe/line that's attached to the front of the block? That's the one my mate said was the oil return and he had the same issue where it was blocked and oil was drawn through the cam cover breather as a result.

I've been rushing around trying to make my way over to Jenny's so I can use their garage to take it apart tonight. Otherwise I'll be back to Pug1Off on Monday.

Tried to clean oil up as best as I can, although it's all over the rad and stuck between the fins!

Still learning, as you can tell. After everything warms up it idles fine.

Dirty idle, lovely! Did you clean my car? lol.

Loving that idle! lol

Fair play, that was a quick turn around for a conversion, about a week? Looks top aswell, shame about this leak though.

Not sure what's going on with the Supersprint fit either - the backbox should be angled up, not down! lol!

Bloody great overall though - any chance of a passenger lap at Llandow to compare to standard cams pretty please?

Think I've found the issue. Oil return pipe on the front is completely blocked. Tried getting as much crap out as possible but either I'm hitting the bend in the pipe or the dried up oil and crap is too solid to push.

So spoken to Matt. Off to Pug1Off tomorrow to get it sorted. I'll ask for them to clean the bay and maybe do and oil change again.

Back from Pug1Off. Those guys are top quality. Can't fault them.

As for oil problem, seems fixed. It was the oil return line being blocked that caused it. Fresh oil and filter too. Also jet washed to get rid of any oil left behind.

Will try to pick up alloys tomorrow.

Good job Dave! Nice quick work!